Artemis VS Apollo: Is NASA’s Artemis program actually “sustainable?”

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NASA’s making some big moves to finally get humans back to the moon for the first time in over 50 years. The Artemis program is shaping up with checks written and hardware built! So how does a 21st Century program to the moon compare to that of the 1960’s?

In Today’s video, we’re going to answer the question, why does NASA think Artemis will be a sustainable program when SLS is sooooo dang expensive AND it’ll take at least two launches to get humans and their lunar landers to the moon.

This CAN’T be more sustainable than Apollo, right? Well, we didn’t even begin to scratch the surface of the costs, so today we’re going to really dive into the total costs, including development, infrastructure and hardware by giving SLS and Orion a full cost audit.

But we’ll even show you how the Apollo program and Artemis mission profiles differ including the specific orbits and rendezvous and everything required to get humans to the surface of the moon and even talk about the upgraded safety considerations and hardware involved.

Once we look at all these details, we can answer the question, 50 years later, is the Artemis program actually an improvement over the Apollo program or is NASA going completely in the wrong direction when returning to the moon?

#ApolloVSArtemis #SLSVSSaturnV

03:50 – The Hardware
15:55 – The Missions
29:15 – Safety & Upgrades
35:50 – Program Costs
46:20 – Rant
52:25 – The Good Parts of Artemis
55:35 – Conclusion

This video wouldn’t be possible with out the generous support of my Mission Directors on Patreon!!! – Frans de Wet, Gregory M. McKee, Chad Souter, Sam Fisher, Jason Kelnhofer, pexis petersons, Eric Beavers, Arthur Carty, Lawrence Mansour, Bob Lewis, DLB, Joshua Rule, Ryan M., David Glover, Scott G Raderstorf, Nicholas T. Gallman, Max Haot, John Malkin, TTTA, Jared smith, Simon Pilkington, Héctor Ramos, Tomdmay , Mac Malkawi, Ole Mathias Aarseth Heggem

Tags: SLS vs Saturn V, Saturn V Apollo program, Apollo program vs artemis program, what is the artemis program, NASA artemis program, Artemis mission details, Artemis moon. mission, SLS and Orion vs Saturn V, Orion capsule vs Apollo Capsule, Starship vs SLS, SLS vs Starship Lunar, Starship Lunar lander, Starship Human Landing System, Elon Musk lunar starship, Tim Dodd, Everyday Astronaut, 2024 moon mission, Artemis mission profile, NRHO, Near Rectilinear Halo Orbit, SLS cost

Comments:
  1. rishon thomas

    I love how he hints at future videos in each video. It’s like he is trying to increase his workload…

  2. Astronomy 101

    HAHA! I EDITED THIS COMMENT SO NOW YOU DON’T KNOW WHY IT HAS 153 LIKES!

  3. Kevin Hoover

    Tim this is a huge achievement. I know I’ll be watching it many times. Thanks.

  4. Leonardo Avellar

    Really wanted to see the math of those questions, with ballpark numbers, or some insight from twitter elon (wink wink tim) :
    How much can a refueled and entirely redesigned moon variant starship take to the moon surface and come back to LEO?(to be refueled and get new cargo to go back to the moon)
    Considering: No heatshields and flaps weight
    High monted engines for moon landing that are probably way lighter than 3 earth landing raptor engines that are not needed
    On situ O2 refuel for the way back that elon proposed, maybe bigger methane tanks and smaller O2 tanks redesigned and optimized for this O2 refuel purpose(burn all O2 on the way to the moon, have methane for the trip back to go back with no cargo, refuel O2 needed)
    Maybe some kind of fairing ditch as it will never leave space once it launch once

    i supose 30~40% more payload with all those changes (i don’t even know if it really is possible to land all the ship and come back to LEO even with no payload at all, never did the math)

  5. Fahad Alharbi

    Well three thing to explain cost of things that Nasa is building, first, one item things are expensive, if are are just building only 20 of a thing that is ver complex, it’s very exlensive to develop.. Second.. American labour, this why American cost of Iraq war is more expensive then all the oil in it. Just treating 20,000 veterans for 15 years with American doctors cost more 2 trillion dollars.. Third, cost plus, which could related to first reason, samll non commercial items.. Solution, well, this money is worthless and the state is indept for 26 trill, this just continue printing the money until China stop believing in it and then major inflation and the USA will become another version of Venezuela

  6. David Campbell

    We all know how the cost hemorrhage happens. It is the $L$ – The Senate Lobbying System.

  7. Nick C.

    These videos are incredible quality and deserve millions of views!

  8. SuperClearyPhoto

    This video is a masterpiece

  9. CEE TV

    do they actually try to get on the moon with starship by 2024 or is mars still prio no. 1?

  10. docoj65

    Wouldn’t there be sense to creating fueling stations early , maybe Bigelow-esque platforms in Earth orbit and lunar orbit to lessen the ongoing need for multiple Starship to Starship fuel transfers beyond the first round needed to set up the stations?

    I’ve heard that if a carbon source is found on the moon, methalox could be made, and if so couldn’t Lunar Starships be used as tankers as well as landers?

  11. Squidward Tortellini

    Honestly angry Tim kinda scares me

  12. Victor C

    Boeing employees be driving BMWs for telling NASA “workin’ hard!”

  13. Karl V

    Given the comparisons you showcased they should have just modernized the Saturn 5 so it had modern lighter computers that required a lot less power and made a few improvements on it’s safety and saved themselves hundreds of billions and TONS of time.

  14. Keldor314

    I have a feeling that the specific Starship proposal was designed to be “minimum risk” configuration for the benefit of the selection team, who are leery at the idea of reusable Starship and the engines kicking regolith up etc. A sort of way of telling Nasa that even if half of Starship’s features don’t pan out, they’ll still be able to build a workable vehicle specifically for landing on the moon.

    If all goes well, we’ll never see this lander variant. They’ll just use Starship, which will have proven itself feasible and put to rest all those concerns.

  15. Jamie P

    YEES BEEN LOOKING SO FORWARD TO THIS

  16. Lauren Mehta

    Large cow farm on the moon… Phineas and Ferb Ice Cream on the moon idea

  17. Gordon Chin

    All that SLS money was funneled straight into some clown’s pockets.

  18. Fernando Mota

    I’ve never been so excited than when I opened my notifications today

  19. Ayush Agarwal

    Apart from just going to the moon, wouldn’t we start establishing a lunar colony as well as move a step forward in mars exploration?

  20. Jerry Jiang

    THE VIDEO I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR!!!

  21. Chris O'Connor

    When Starship flies to orbit and back, Elon and Spacex get the Collier Prize; SLS out years get cancelled.

  22. Calvin Dodge

    Why the price tag? Every dollar went to a person, providing “jobs”. The more spent, the more “jobs”. And Shelby and company supported it to supply “jobs” for their states.

  23. Aman Mo

    Let me be first to say “when is your next video coming out?”

  24. Kaltenstein

    so when you take a starship to land on the moon and have to refuel it in LEO, why even bother with orion flying out to the moon at all?

  25. T65Bx

    I just realized that SLS Block I is almost like the Ares IX. Half new, half old, and it gets to fly while the full version may not.

  26. Trabber Shir

    April 30 video: “my next video, which is almost already done”
    … more than 4 months later …
    Next video is out.

  27. Huckleberry

    He attacc

    He protecc

    But most importantly he be ranting

  28. Stahlhelm

    Exactly on my birthday…. Thank you Everyday Astronaut for making my Birthday Much more happier!

  29. Mathew Zacharias

    We should make a kick starter to get tim to the moon

  30. olivier.

    Finally! Let’s see this masterpiece!

  31. Bobsled3000

    How did this happen… It’s the GOVERNMENT everything it’s WAY overpriced

  32. GamerForZindagi

    boy the rage is scary than Joe banard’s

  33. Enigmadux

    Orange Rocket Good! Yeah it’s probably expensive and there might be better ways to do it, but I think, politically willing of course, they could definitely reach the moon by 2024, further destinations is hard to say though.

  34. tomintheholee

    I’ve learned more about rocket science and space from you then my teachers

  35. Hongliang Lim

    “When it’s done”

  36. MORGAN 666666

    Boeing in the Artemis program is a vintage movement!!

  37. Robert Leedham

    my thought was “why haven’t I seen anything for so long 😫” … then 💥 Bam!!! … 1hr Update … you were busy and quality Vid!!!!

  38. Hank Millies

    A wonderful presentation Tim! It’s good to hear that Artemis will eventually be more cost effective than the Apollo program. The key is program continuity so that “eventually” becomes a reality.
    Thanks very much for all the work you (etc al.) put into the research and video production. Very cool stuff.

  39. The Magitechie

    Honestly, I think the new way NASA is doing things is nice and all, but they really should have lit a fire under Boeing’s tailfins waaaaaaaaaaaay earlier than they did. I do very much appreciate the perspective of taking into account everything the early space missions gave us besides rockets, as well as showing how the costs will go down eventually. Very well done with the video 😀. I still think Boeing is more than a little too cozy with the government, and that’s in more than just spaceflight.

  40. Stratos

    Considering that starship is at least 50 years away, I am quite baffled why NASA chose it.

  41. Piotr Masłowski

    ~56:23 _”anything bigger _*_to_*_ the moon”_ – it’s missing in the subtitles

  42. Rubens Gonçalves

    All of this moves jobs, industries, companies and the economy.

  43. K equals Potassium

    Tim: Right?
    Kevin: WRONG!

  44. 周Darwin

    At this point, EA’s video is already longer than my online math courses.

  45. Fadzli Hensem

    i wonder if that boieng budget was given to spacex…

  46. Pray for Mojo

    I love watching this after a couple years of playing KSP, everything makes sense.

  47. No Reasons

    so in conclusion: Orange rocket not so bad after all.

  48. L4r5man

    The problem with SLS is just bad project management. But Jim seems to be fixing that.

  49. Jack CF

    Artemis as is will never happen because the SLS will only fly once if ever.

  50. Nick Bryant

    Just when I though to myself “what should I do before work today??” Here is my answer!

  51. Richard Bull

    EA upload:
    Me: let it be a 45 minute extravaganza…
    EA: sorry…..

  52. JB Bricks

    Last time I was this early Tim used to wear his orange suit

  53. Mirador

    You forgot to mention that the service module is build by ESA. Otherwise Artemis would be even more expensive.

  54. Oskar Anderson

    I used to think “Why not use Space Shuttle Stacks as boosters for the Saturn V?”😂😂😂😂

  55. ThatONG

    All the Artemis program needs to do is observe the mystery goo on the lunar surface

  56. Hydrolox AeroSpace

    That was amazing, I heard “shiny rocket good, orange rocket bad”. Amazing job Tim, that is a beast of a documentary.

  57. Dhana Uma

    It’s literally 11 pm in India when you released the video ( in India )
    I was so curious to watch this video. Great work. Waiting for a video about isro from you tim.

  58. JohnnyZenith

    Houston the Eagle has landed.
    Houston the Falcon has landed.

  59. Constellation aerospace

    And how will the gateway be made?

    In Earth’s orbit and than taken to the moon

    Or take every part to the moon and than somehow dock there?

  60. SpaceApe Oakie

    Okay, I’ve gotta say it:
    I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS VIDEOS SPACECRAFT TRAJECTORY ANIMATION!!
    I picture spacecraft operating in a similar way to this in my head, but that’s from years of studies in celestial & orbital mechanics, along with just being a massive lifelong spaceflight/rocketry nerd.

    I think this will go a LONG way in helping those who are new to orbital mechanics “get it”: for these ideas to go from an abstract notion of unintuitive maneuvers to a real understanding of exactly how things happen in orbit.

    Well done Tim Dodd & Crew, well done!!

    *Post Script: I can’t help but giggle a lil everytime I think of you as “Tim” instead of “Everyday Astronaut”. I’ve been here since the beginning: before the “no photoshop” series, the first public pics posted on social media, the transition from art project to spaceflight enthusiast to serious science communicator(term used with due diligence). The first time I heard your name as “Tim”, I thought that was just the generic name given to your character “Everyday Astronaut”.

  61. Henden G

    SLS is like going to the mechanic because your car won’t start.
    You: How much will it cost?
    Mech: As much as a brand new car?
    You: What?
    Mech: Oh, and we’ll take parts from your old car so you can’t use those anywhere else. Aaand, we’ll take your garage to build your car with your old parts (not gonna return it).
    You: Okay fine. Just get it going.
    Mech: You get 8 trips.
    🤣🤣😭😭 fk Boing.
    boing! boing!

  62. Devin Dykstra

    Studio’s lookin’ pretty great!

  63. Jay Liew

    15:37 “new rockets or smaller rockets”
    electron rocket joins the chat

  64. Jim Coleman

    “Theee other angery astronaut”

  65. George Tao

    “However agin, this is a very rough and conservative estimate” *are you sure that the total cost of 69B was coincidental?*

  66. Anish Thakkar

    If even one fails artems will surely get cancelled
    Artmis has to compete with space X sucess rate

  67. Tachyonic Newt

    I get out of the hospital, sleep in a real bed, and then wake up to this. Looking like a great day so far.

  68. Alucard Of the 9th circle

    I can’t wait until a year from now you’ll probably be talking about Artemis 1 pros/cons of the first mission

  69. Guy Pehaim

    I think that the current, publicly funded NASA program is just so much space pork to maintain the manufacturers of otherwise military hardware.

  70. Captain_Dorja

    I was reading literally 2 days ago that most of the aerospace industry, except Boeing, think SLS will be canceled and that a lot of people want it to be. I hope it isn’t. I want really badly to take my father to an SLS launch.

  71. Marcus LaGrone

    “Fixed cost” contracts rarely are. As soon as ANYTHING changes in the requirements, the costs bump. Good video nonetheless!

  72. iakona23

    Maybe SpaceX should set up their own lunar base, and just skip all of this SLS-Orion nonsense?

  73. Hobie 1

    I don’t think Tim will ever make a short video 😂 That’s fine with me though.

  74. M.Streicher

    So if we snagged 11% of the military’s budget, one year, we could fund the entire program? Boy am I proud to be an american :/

  75. William N

    21:32
    “Good thing we have high definition and 4k monitors and tvs”
    *cries in 1080p*

  76. Beryl Remacle-Grimm

    Holy cow I can’t believe I watched the whole thing already. After so much anticipation. Another excellent job Tim I just wish it didn’t go by so fast.😂

  77. Arash 2007

    Finally this is the episode I was looking forward to.

  78. Simone Bartolini

    Tim: the costs for artemis are insane, how is this possible?
    Me: Easy, corruption!

  79. Mike

    If SpaceX had this budget, we’d have a small city on the Moon!

  80. Ian Cherneski

    I laughed when I saw the section titled “Rant”.

  81. Nolsp

    “Remember – ONE selfie and we go back!”

    Best episode ever, Tim.😊

  82. Richard Gadsden

    Looking forward to hearing this for the first time since 1972:

    “Artemis 2, Houston.

    “Go ahead, Houston.

    “Artemis 2. You are Go for TLI. Over.”

    (that’s the Apollo 8 dialogue from 1968 with the spacecraft name updated; the actual Apollo 17 dialog went:

    “Roger. Guys, I’ve got the word you wanted to hear; you are Go for TLI – you’re Go for the Moon.”
    “Okay, Robert. Understand. America and Challenger with their S-IVB are Go for TLI.”)

  83. Anthony

    Tim: “it’ll be virtually impossible to have cost overruns”

    NASA: “Hold my beer”

  84. RundownPear

    I think it’s important to note that Orion’s low delta v numbers were because originally it was too travel to the moon with the LSAM / Altair. Altair would perform the lunar breaking burn. When Altair and constellation were cancelled Orion kept these metrics assuming if lunar missions were to be developed again they would have a lunar lander to perform the burn or a Lagrange station (gateway)

  85. Sebastian Loessl

    When ever Tim ends his brief intro:
    So anyway, we haven’t even scratched the surface

  86. Szabo Wabo

    Well done, Tim! You’re the only guy on YouTube who can get me to click on a video that is longer than ~20 minutes and keep me watching until the end. Thank you!

  87. Uncrafted abyss

    I just listened to Artemis by Andy weir and I’m getting confused when he said the word Artemis

  88. My guy 676

    I’m currently studying Aerospace Engineering and I hope to one day design such rockets. Your videos have really inspired me and I have actually used your videos as some sources in some of my high school projects. Really great work Tim!

  89. ste kra

    Oh, another important Orion vs CSM Upgrade Orian has a toilet no more bags that upgrade is worth every penny spent.

  90. daniel aroka

    Tim drops Artemis vs Apollo video

    Me: this does put a smile on my face

  91. logicslayer

    Love the cost breakdown between SLS and Saturn V. I can’t believe how much time and money has been spent on SLS when so much hardware was available. I wish the Artemis program a long life. I just hope the costs don’t take away from funding future NASA projects.

  92. Deep Space

    “That’s going to do it for me, I’m Tim Dodd the Everyday Astronaut…”
    Me *Nooooo please Tim don’t leave I want to watch you rant for another hour*

  93. TravisTrax

    “how do these things cost so much money??!” Answer: government programs.

  94. Sandro Leita

    How are these videos free?
    This is an absolutely fantastic in depth video. Well done Tim 👏

  95. nameHere_

    I can’t stop laughing at that clip at 56:54
    “We need to test moving the rocket back and forth”
    “What, build some specialized machine? Sounds difficult”
    “Nah, I’ve got a better idea—get me some interns.”

  96. 14rs2

    Me: Sees that Tim has uploaded a vide “ah yes”
    Also me: Sees the video is over an hour long “OH HELL YES!!!!”

  97. Niel Wagensommer

    Your rant reminds me of a quote by Gwynne Shotwell: “I don’t even know how to spend $400 million on a rocket”

  98. Josh Rosengren

    “NASA maybe dodged a bullet… while driving a car on two wheels on the edge of a cliff inside of a tornado while buying lotto tickets.”

    That sounds a little more risky than 5%

  99. Zachary Ramsli

    LOL lunar lander size comparison – Starship hello little guys.

  100. PencilJar

    SLS looks like if Saturn V and The space shuttle has a baby

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